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			<title>Democrat House candidate gets audio, video banned from debate</title>
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COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- U.S. Rep. John Spratt will debate his Republican challenger Mick Mulvaney on Tuesday, but the only people who will...</description>
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				COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- U.S. Rep. John Spratt will debate his Republican challenger Mick Mulvaney on Tuesday, but the only people who will get to see any of it have already bought tickets to the sold out dinner at a South Carolina Lions Club.
			
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			<title>U.S. names Asian carp czar</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:45:27 GMT</pubDate>
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				 The White House has tapped a former leader of the Indiana Department of Natural Resources and the Indiana Wildlife Federation as the Asian carp czar to oversee the federal response to keeping the invasive species out of the Great Lakes.<br />
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On a conference call today with Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin and other congressional leaders, President Obama's Council on Environmental Quality announced the selection of John Goss to lead the near $80 million, multi-pronged federal attack against Asian carp.<br />
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&quot;This is a serious challenge, a serious threat,&quot; Durbin said. &quot;When it comes to the Asian carp threat, we are not in denial. We are not in a go-slow mode. We are in a full attack, full-speed ahead mode. We want to stop this carp from advancing.&quot;
			
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			<title>Boehner Calls for 2-Year Freeze on All Tax Rates</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:37:58 GMT</pubDate>
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U.S. House of Representatives Republican leader John Boehner called Wednesday for a two-year freeze on all current U.S. tax rates,...</description>
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				U.S. House of Representatives Republican leader John Boehner called Wednesday for a two-year freeze on all current U.S. tax rates, including Bush-era tax cuts for the rich set to expire at the end of this year.<br />
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Speaking ahead of an economic address set for later in the day by President Barack Obama, Boehner also proposed that the U.S. government cut spending for next year to 2008 levels—before federal corporate bailouts and Obama's $814 billion economic stimulus plan.
			
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			<title>Nevada gubernatorial candidate: pay for speed</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:49:35 GMT</pubDate>
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				Once he moves into the Governor's Mansion, political newcomer DiSimone, 52, of Reno, plans to pick up an extra billion dollars a year for the state by letting people drive as fast as 90 mph on selected roads for a $25-a-day fee.
			
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</div><a href="http://www.lvrj.com/news/gubernatorial-candidate-courts-speeders-to-raise-state-revenue-101780968.html" target="_blank">http://www.lvrj.com/news/gubernatori...101780968.html</a><br />
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He also wants to pay off state debts in gold and silver (in state coins).  He'd ask for discounts for the precious metals from miners and then give them the land in the end.<br />
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He would also pull control of the Nevada National Guard away from the federal government and use it to round up illegal aliens.  He has said he believes that controlling illegal immigration is solely the responsibility of individual states.</div>

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			<title>Meghan McCain cried when she found out her dad picked Palin</title>
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				&quot;My initial reaction was, 'Who the hell is Sarah Palin?' Like everybody else,&quot; the younger McCain revealed on Tuesday night.
			
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She wasn't the only one!</div>

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			<title>Trouble for planting flowers at edge of forest preserve</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:36:39 GMT</pubDate>
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Trouble is growing for two women because of the bright bluebells, brown-eyed susans, and wildflowers that bloom in the Cook County Forest...</description>
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				Trouble is growing for two women because of the bright bluebells, brown-eyed susans, and wildflowers that bloom in the Cook County Forest Preserve in Des Plaines.<br />
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About 15 years ago, the women began clearing out vines and weeds, collecting trash, and planting species native to the woods, which is near their condo buildings.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Chicago's mayor will not seek re-election]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:24:36 GMT</pubDate>
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				Mayor Richard Daley says he will not run for re-election in 2011, saying it's &quot;time for me, it's time for Chicago to move on.&quot;<br />
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&quot;The truth is I have been thinking about this for the past several months,&quot; Daley said at a City Hall news conference. &quot;In the end this is a personal decision, no more, no less.&quot;
			
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:eek:<br />
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-Jon (just fell off his chair)</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Bob Woodward's New Book, 'Obama's Wars,' to be Released Sept. 27]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:16:27 GMT</pubDate>
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				After working behind the scenes for 18 months, Woodward will provide an insider's account of Obama at work with his team. Drawing on internal memos, classified documents, meeting notes and hundreds of hours of interviews, Woodward focuses on Obama's critical decisions about the wars abroad and the worldwide fight against terrorism.
			
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			<title>Charging for Emergency Services</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:37:06 GMT</pubDate>
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ABOUT a year ago Cary Feldman was surprised to find himself sprawled on the pavement in an intersection in Chicago Heights, Ill., having...</description>
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				ABOUT a year ago Cary Feldman was surprised to find himself sprawled on the pavement in an intersection in Chicago Heights, Ill., having been knocked off his motor scooter by the car behind him. Five months later he got another surprise: a bill from the fire department for responding to the scene of the accident. <br />
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“I had no idea what the fire truck was there for,” said Mr. Feldman, of nearby Matteson. “It came, it looked and it left. I was not hurt badly. I had scratches and bruises. I did not go to the hospital.” Mr. Feldman had become enmeshed in what appears to be a nascent budget-balancing trend in municipal government: police and fire departments have begun to charge accident victims as a way to offset budget cuts.<br />
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Ambulance charges have long been common and are usually paid by health insurance, but fees for other responders are relatively new. The charge is variously called a “crash tax” or “resource recovery,” depending on one’s point of view. In either case, motorists are billed for services they may have thought were covered by taxpayers.
			
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</div>For more, see: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/automobiles/05CRASHTAX.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/au...5CRASHTAX.html</a><br />
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So what do you all think, is it reasonable for people to be billed for emergency services that they incur? (keep in mind that for communities near interstate highways, often the people involved in the emergencies do not pay local taxes)</div>

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			<dc:creator>Jester</dc:creator>
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			<title>Obama will propose tax cut expansion for businesses</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:20:12 GMT</pubDate>
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(CNN) -- In another move aimed at stabilizing the still-shaky economy, President Barack Obama on Wednesday will introduce a new $200...</description>
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				(CNN) -- In another move aimed at stabilizing the still-shaky economy, President Barack Obama on Wednesday will introduce a new $200 billion tax cut giving businesses across the country an incentive to buy new equipment in the short term, according to a senior administration official.<br />
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The tax cut would allow businesses to write off 100 percent of new investments in plants and equipment made between now and the end of 2011, according to the senior administration official.
			
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			<title>If A Pure Market Economy Is So Great, Where Is It?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 00:12:34 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[This seems to be the wrote response many people use to write off libertarianism and true free-market capitalism.  It's nice to see such a thoughtful...]]></description>
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				<b>If a Pure Market Economy Is So Good, Why Doesn't It Exist?</b><br />
Mises Daily: Friday, September 03, 2010 by Edward Stringham and Jeffrey Rogers Hummel<br />
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[Excerpted from &quot;If a Pure Market Economy Is So Good, Why Doesn't It Exist?,&quot; Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, Summer 2010]<br />
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If a pure market economy is so good, why does it not already exist? If governments are so bad, why are they dominant throughout the world today? Indeed, is the widespread adoption of free markets ever likely to occur?<br />
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Many recent authors, including Tyler Cowen,[1] Cowen and Daniel Sutter,[2] Randall G. Holcombe,[3] and Andrew Rutten[4] question the feasibility of a pure libertarian society.[5] They maintain that such a system cannot arise or persist because some people will always have both the incentive and the ability to use force against others. These authors offer several reasons why, even if society starts out in a perfect libertarian world without any states (as Murray Rothbard and others advocate),[6] competing groups will eventually form a coercive government.<br />
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If we are lucky, this will be not too dissimilar from what we have today, but it could be even worse. Government may not be just or desirable, but &quot;government is inevitable.&quot;[7] While these objections have been aimed specifically at radical libertarian ideas, they apply more broadly and are relevant to the general issue of social change.<br />
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We believe that the neoclassical framework of most of these authors, particularly Holcombe, Cowen, and Sutter, causes them to overlook perhaps the most important driving force of social change. When analyzing why people make choices, economists distinguish between people's preferences and people's incentives. Yet, when considering ways to alter behavior, almost all economists limit their focus exclusively to incentives. Changing preferences is ignored as an option in the strict neoclassical point of view.[8]<br />
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This limited framework is found among neoclassical economists across the board, from advocates of radical change, such as David Friedman,[9] to accepters of the status quo, such as George Stigler.[10] A large part of the agenda of normative public choice and constitutional economics is to build &quot;knave-proof institutions&quot; that are immune to people acting as the &quot;opportunistically rational economic man.&quot;[11]<br />
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Although most neoclassical economists are willing to discuss changing incentives through constraints, we believe that changing incentives is not the only way to alter people's behavior, and it may not always be the easiest way. Consider the government campaign against smoking. Not only does the government attempt to change incentives with increased taxes but it also attempts to change preferences by convincing people that smoking is not a good thing.<br />
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As advocates of a laissez-faire society, we hardly endorse this government campaign, but it illustrates how advocates of change focus on incentives and preferences rather than incentives alone. Libertarians who oppose taxes on cigarettes but who also wish fewer people smoked readily recognize that they must rely on educational campaigns aimed at the preferences of smokers.[12]<br />
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Moreover, even if political economists want to change people's incentives, to do this they need to change policy or institutions, and they can only do that by first changing people's preferences about institutions. Unless one simplistically reduces all of history to a deterministic model in which all institutional change results solely from changes in external constraints (consider, for instance, Avner Greif,[13] and, with greater sophistication and scope, Douglass North, John Joseph Wallis, and Barry R. Weingast[14] ), political economists must look at preferences to explain social change. Holcombe, Cowen, and Sutter evade any consideration of ideology and other factors that may affect preferences, but we believe that social change without changes in preferences is rare. The notion that you can change policy without changing preferences is an illusion.<br />
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History provides many examples where preferences of enough people changed so that the result was significant changes in policy. By eliminating this analytical straightjacket imposed by neoclassical economics, economists could have a lot more to offer about how to improve the world. We are not arguing that libertarianism requires convincing 100 percent of people to support a free society. Instead, following Murray Rothbard,[15] we argue that libertarianism (or for that matter any system) requires the support of a certain critical mass. When enough people support a free society and withdraw their support from governments, the ability of would-be predators to create government is diminished.<br />
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<b>The Argument for Pessimism</b><br />
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Why might one adopt a pessimistic view about the possibility of social change toward a pure market economy? Reasons differ, but let us focus on the pessimism of two classical-liberal economists who have published a series of articles on this topic. Cowen and Sutter is the latest contribution to a string of papers related to the viability of a state-free society.[16] Much of their reasoning applies to more limited free markets as well. The initial arguments for pessimism are in Cowen,[17] who maintains that, without a government monopoly over the use of force, competing groups that can cooperate to resolve disputes can also collude to exercise coercion.<br />
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Cowen and Sutter follows up with the more general claim that the very factors, such as cooperation, that might make a libertarian society possible can also make government likely.[18] Cowen and Sutter summarize,<br />
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<i>If civil society can use norms to enforce cooperative solutions, that same society will be prone to certain kinds of cartels. In other words, cooperation-enhancing social features will bring bad outcomes as well as good outcomes. To provide a simple example, the Nazis relied on cooperation in addition to their obvious coercive elements in perpetrating their crimes. The ability to organize therefore is a mixed blessing.</i>[19]<br />
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The Nazi example should have alerted Cowen and Sutter to the crucial role of ideology. Instead they conclude that a libertarian society is unlikely to survive because of a &quot;paradox of cooperation.&quot; Some people will be able to cooperate enough to threaten others with government or private force. Cowen and Sutter consider this problem a virtually unavoidable feature of a stateless society.<br />
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Some authors have questioned Cowen and Sutter's claims about network industries facilitating cartels,[20] but the authors reply that cartels are possible in network industries that use force.[21] They argue that even if most people were peaceful, more powerful groups could threaten others, who would have little choice but to back down.<br />
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They represent this scenario using simple game theory. Although victims would be best off not being victimized at all, victims are better off being victimized without retaliating, rather than fighting back, because confrontations are costly. This is likely why most people pay the mugger or the tax collector even though they would prefer not to; losing one's cash is better than prompting a confrontation and potentially losing one's life.<br />
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As evidence that some will always threaten while others will always back down, Cowen and Sutter point to the existence of governments around the globe:<br />
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<i>We must take seriously the fact that governments exist all around the world, for better or worse. … History shows that &quot;cooperating to coerce&quot; is relatively easy to establish, regardless of the exact path to that final state of affairs.</i>[22]<br />
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This position is similar to that of authors writing in the public-choice tradition, including Holcombe and Rutten, who argue that some form of coercion will necessarily persist.[23]<br />
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In no uncertain terms, Holcombe writes, &quot;Without government — or even with a weak government — predatory groups will impose themselves on people by force and create a government to extract income and wealth from these subjects,&quot; concluding that &quot;government is inevitable.&quot;[24] In a similar vein, Cowen writes, &quot;Orderly anarchy again implies collusive anarchy,&quot; stating, &quot;libertarian ideology does not provide a safeguard against the emergence of government.&quot;[25]<br />
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Most recently, Cowen has coined what he calls the &quot;Paradox of Libertarianism,&quot; which essentially maintains that libertarian success may have contributed to bigger government. Changes in government policy in the last few decades have moved in a libertarian direction, causing &quot;much greater wealth and much greater liberty,&quot; which, ironically, has increased public demand for government.[26]<br />
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For all these authors, libertarians are at an impasse. Even if people recognize that markets are good and coercion is bad, some will always attempt to use coercive government because it will be in their interest to do so. These critics might be called the pessimistic admirers of libertarianism. Libertarian ideals are nice, but they are impossible in practice.<br />
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<b>The Argument Against Pessimism</b><br />
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Forgive us for favorably quoting a politician and a general, but as Dwight D. Eisenhower said, &quot;Pessimism never won any battle.&quot; Just because libertarianism has not fully triumphed anywhere in the world today does not mean that striving for it is futile. Cowen and Sutter's analysis notably leaves out the importance of ideology and public opinion as constraints on government.<br />
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Within certain narrow assumptions, Cowen and Sutter's 2005 and Cowen's 2007 analyses all but guarantee the existence of government. In Cowen and Sutter, the payoffs of using coercion are positive because there are no external constraints, and in Cowen, government becomes more popular as income increases. But if the assumptions are different, the predicted payoffs are different, and the &quot;inevitability&quot; of statism becomes &quot;inevitable&quot; only under certain conditions.<br />
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This problem is starkest in Cowen's most recent article, in which he takes current political opinion as fixed and assumes that the majority considers government a normal good like so many others. In the current world this may be true. But suppose that advocates of free markets are correct that markets are more civil and humane[27] and that the more sophisticated or cultured point of view is to support liberty over coercion. This is an open question, but as people's incomes increase and they become more educated they might be more likely to become less statist.[28] Under these circumstances, statism would not be a normal good, but an inferior good.<br />
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Or consider Cowen and Sutter's assumption about the positive payoffs of coercion. In the current world, one need not look further than the many rich government officials around the globe to see the truth in this. But the payoffs themselves are at least partly a function of institutions and are hardly constant for all time. Altering the institutions can alter the level and even the ranking of the payoffs.<br />
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Furthermore, the level of the payoffs is not the only relevant consideration in light of the subjective nature of people's preferences. The subjective ranking of payoffs can change with preferences. Suppose that some external, ideological constraints, embedded in a widely recognized legal code, were placed on coercion. If these constraints were important enough, even would-be opportunists would decline to use coercion.<br />
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Cowen and Sutter might answer that by assuming no government they have already specified the relevant institutional constraints. But the varied legal regimes that stateless societies have exhibited throughout history belie this claim. Cowen initially dismissed &quot;reliance upon libertarian ideology alone to defend the survival of anarchy&quot; as a &quot;deus ex machina.&quot;[29] But Cowen and Sutter admit that &quot;cooperative efficacy relates only to the ability of a community to engage in collective action; the selection of projects to pursue is a separate question.&quot;[30] In other words, people conceivably can cooperate to achieve public goods or public bads. The Nazis sought public bads, but this result is not universal.<br />
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What factors influence a society's mix of public goods and bads? According to Cowen and Sutter, this &quot;separate question&quot; is decided by &quot;community leaders and public officials&quot; based on which projects &quot;suit their own interests.&quot; Then what determines their interests? Here we are back again implicitly at institutions and ideology, unless Cowen and Sutter want to replace ideology with the deus ex machina of the preferences of leaders and officials.<br />
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Another striking example of how ideology implicitly enters the analysis of neoclassical economists, despite their best efforts to keep it out, comes from a critic of Cowen. Friedman, in his classic brief for anarchism, projects a polylegal order in which competing private courts and police enforce different codes of law that compete like &quot;brands of cars.&quot;[31] These legal codes need not be libertarian, in Friedman's view, although he argues that unlibertarian law will be more expensive to enforce than libertarian law. Therefore, self-interest will tend to drive polylegal anarchism toward libertarian outcomes.<br />
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But notice that Friedman's private courts and police do obey at least one universal law, despite his failure to acknowledge as much. None of them collects taxes. Otherwise, his system collapses into the international anarchy we observe in the world today. How could such a uniform constraint against taxation arise except through a widely held ideological aversion to taxation?<br />
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Could preferences ever change so that people demand less statism or more constraints on government? If one adopts the narrow neoclassical public-choice assumptions of Cowen and Sutter, the answer is likely to be &quot;no,&quot; as preferences are static in strict neoclassical models. But this position overlooks two important facts about the world, namely that public opinion often changes, and public opinion does matter.<br />
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Caplan and Stringham contrast the mainstream public-choice view that interests rule the world with the views of Ludwig von Mises and Frédéric Bastiat, who believe that ideas rule the world. According to the Mises-Bastiat view, governments are able to get away with as much as they do only because they have the support of enough people. Bad policies persist only because the median voter prefers them.[32]<br />
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But the current demand for bad policies does not imply their inevitability any more than the current demand for Ford automobiles implies that Ford will forever retain its current market share. If people's preferences can be changed, then big government is not necessarily something people will always demand. This is important because if enough people withdraw their support for various big government policies, then the state will have a difficult time imposing its policies on the unwilling masses. As Rothbard,[33] Jeffrey Rogers Hummel,[34] and others have argued, government officials get away with as much as people let them.<br />
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Herein lies the key to changing society — changing public opinion or people's preferences toward government. And the only way people are likely to change their preferences is through education and persuasion; force is ineffective. This is why libertarian economists of different stripes believe that economic education plays such a crucial role.<br />
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Most people in the general public support various government policies because they truly believe that government needs to solve social problems. Only infrequently do they consider the possibilities that government may be the cause of problems or making problems worse.[35] Nor do they consider the possibility that voluntary action may be capable of solving many so-called market failures.<br />
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If free markets can do wonders, as libertarian economists believe,[36] then there is no inherent reason that the public needs to forever demand or even tolerate the state. Frédéric Bastiat maintains that the general public has been sold a bill of goods.[37] The general public has been persuaded to believe in the necessity of government intervention in many areas.<br />
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Yet, if free-market economists had their way, the public would believe and behave otherwise. When a problem arose, the public would not immediately turn to the state to solve it. When the state tried to take on new roles, people would balk. A small group of people might try to use force to impose their will on the public, but without general support or general acceptance by the public that minority would have a difficult time getting its way.[38] As Rothbard wrote, &quot;The emperor's clothes of supposed altruistic concern for the common weal would then be stripped from him.&quot;[39]<br />
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At one level, our argument seems obviously true. As one of our colleagues associated with the Review of Austrian Economics wrote to us, &quot;the central thesis of the paper is that libertarian anarchy will prevail where everyone is a libertarian anarchist. This point is uncontroversial.&quot; Yet, as we have demonstrated, the point is indeed controversial. The objections of those who question the attainability or stability of a state-free society (as opposed to its desirability) all rest on an explicit or implicit rejection of the truism that ideas have consequences.<br />
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It is likely that every society will always have some people who want to use force. But we believe that people can only get away with force on a large scale if they have the support of enough people. Without widespread support, the ability to create governments is diminished.<br />
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If those who think a libertarian society is unattainable truly abandon the notion of preferences being fixed forever, their only alternative is to invoke the public-goods problem, or one of its many other variants, such as the prisoner's dilemma or path dependency. Such problems allegedly prevent changes in people's ideas from having strong impacts on the political outcome. But this raises an across-the-board objection to all sorts of improvements in policy.<br />
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Yet history is littered with examples in which public-spirited mass movements overcame free-rider incentives to achieve significant gains against state power …. Nobel Laureate Douglass C. North has observed that &quot;casual observation … confirms the immense number of cases where large group action does occur and is a fundamental force for change.&quot;[40] Once one recognizes that people do not always behave in a narrowly self-interested manner; that they are sometimes (if not always) capable of ideological altruism or otherwise working to achieve goals whose material rewards will not fully compensate them for their efforts; that in a word, preferences are indeed flexible, then the power of ideas becomes paramount, as Hummel, Caplan and Stringham, Higgs, and North have all pointed out at length.<br />
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Thus, the ultimate factor in this worldview is public opinion. The more people adopt a culture of enterprise, the more able a system of free markets is to come about. Is the world where most people support a pure market economy inevitable, as Fukuyama implies in his argument for the inevitability of liberal democracy?[41] We do not believe that any world is inevitable, but we believe that changing preferences to support a pure market economy is certainly possible.
			
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				WASHINGTON (AP) - Vowing to find new ways to stimulate the sputtering economy, President Barack Obama will call for long-term investments in the nation's roads, railways and runways that would <b>cost at least $50 billion</b>.<br />
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The infrastructure investments are one part of a package of targeted proposals the White House is expected to announce in hopes of jump-starting the economy ahead of the November election. Obama will outline the infrastructure proposal Monday at a Labor Day event in Milwaukee.<br />
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While the proposal calls for investments over six years, the White House said spending would be front-loaded with an initial $50 billion to help create jobs in the near future.
			
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				Obama will also call for the creation of a <b>permanent infrastructure bank</b> that would focus on funding national and regional infrastructure projects.<br />
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Administration <b>officials wouldn't say what the total cost of the infrastructure investments would be</b>, but did say the initial $50 billion represents a significant percentage. Officials said the White House would consider closing a number of special tax breaks for oil and gas companies to pay for the proposal.
			
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</div>more: <a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100906/D9I2DUV01.html" target="_blank">http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100906/D9I2DUV01.html</a></div>

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			<description><![CDATA[Jan Brewer's TV debate....

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			<title>New Oval Office carpet quotes MLK, but MLK was paraphrasing Theodore Parker</title>
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				&quot;The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.&quot; According media reports, this quote keeping Obama company on his wheat-colored carpet is from King.<br />
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Except it's not a King quote. The words belong to a long-gone Bostonian champion of social progress. His roots in the republic ran so deep that his grandfather commanded the Minutemen at the Battle of Lexington.<br />
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For the record, Theodore Parker is your man, President Obama. Unless you're fascinated by antebellum American reformers, you may not know of the lyrically gifted Parker, an abolitionist, Unitarian minister and Transcendentalist thinker who foresaw the end of slavery, though he did not live to see emancipation. He died at age 49 in 1860, on the eve of the Civil War.
			
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				Parker said in 1853: &quot;I do not pretend to understand the moral universe; the arc is a long one. . . . But from what I see I am sure it bends toward justice.&quot;
			
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</div>more: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090305100.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090305100.html</a><br />
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King himself did attribute the saying to Parker in his speeches and sermons: <a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr" target="_blank">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr</a></div>

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