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Hurricane Florence on track to hit East Coast as major storm later this week

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  • #16
    Yikes! I wish you all the best, and make sure your sump pump is in good working condition!
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." ĖMark Twain

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    • #17
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45544424

      Storm Florence: Heavy flooding cuts off Wilmington

      The coastal city of Wilmington, North Carolina, has been cut off from the rest of the state because of heavy floods following Hurricane Florence.

      Officials say all roads in and out are now impassable and have warned evacuated residents to stay away.

      About 400 people have been rescued from flood waters in the city, described as an island within the state.

      Two of the first known fatalities - a mother and her seven-month son - were reported in the city on Friday morning.

      At least 15 other people are reported to have died in storm-related incidents across North and South Carolina since Florence made landfall on Thursday.
      Pete (updates)

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      • #18
        Hurricanes and allegations of price gouging virtually go hand-in-hand:

        http://reason.com/archives/2018/09/1...ging-during-hu

        Three Cheers for Price Gouging During Hurricane Florence

        Itís called supply and demand.

        "Gougers deserve a medal," Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman once told me. That's because higher prices are the best indicator of which goods people want most.

        This is a hard concept for people to understand.

        "They're not heroes. They're scabs who prey off the desperate," wrote James Kirkpatrick in the comments after watching my latest video about this. "Only Stossel would praise greed," added Paul Nadrotowski.

        ...

        After Hurricane Katrina, one so-called gouger was John Shepperson of Kentucky. Watching news reports, he learned that people desperately needed generators.

        So Shepperson bought 19 of them, rented a U-Haul, and drove it 600 miles to a part of Mississippi that had no electricity. He offered to sell his generators for twice what he paid for them. People were eager to buy.

        But Mississippi police said that was illegal. They confiscated Shepperson's generators and locked him up.
        Pete (is often astounded by people's fundamental misunderstanding of money and economics)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Plezercruz View Post
          Hurricanes and allegations of price gouging virtually go hand-in-hand:

          http://reason.com/archives/2018/09/1...ging-during-hu



          Pete (is often astounded by people's fundamental misunderstanding of money and economics)
          A very conservative gun board I frequent is all about free market economics and people making a hefty profit transporting generators to those in need after a hurricane. But when guns and ammo are scarce and prices rise, they're socialists just like the best of them. They'll start talking about gun owners being a community and how can someone gouge a fellow gun owner.
          Last edited by electrician1976; 09-19-2018, 10:25 AM.

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          • #20
            If prices don't shoot up during disasters, consumers hoard. We rush to gas stations to top off our tanks. Stores run out of batteries because early customers stock up. Late arrivals get nothing.
            Pete (thinks this is the crux of the problem)

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            • #21
              Show up early or have the supplies you need. Hurricanes don't sneak up on anyone.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Danisr1 View Post
                Show up early or have the supplies you need. Hurricanes don't sneak up on anyone.
                Let's say I did. I bought fifteen 24-bottle cases of water.

                The hurricane hits, and there's no water any more.

                I'm cool I've got 360 bottles of water. That's 60-90 days worth. Probably more than I need. Probably.

                My neighbor shows up offering $2.99 for a case of 24 waters (the price I paid). I am probably telling that guy to go fuck himself.

                I probably don't need that much. But maybe I do. At any rate, I'm not giving away a bottle of water for twelve and a half cents. Only an idiot would.

                I might part with the case for, say $50. Hell I might part with it for $20. But not for $3. And sure, maybe I donate some...but only if I'm CERTAIN I don't need it, and I'm not.

                And according to idiotic laws, $6 is gouging. So guess what? Go fuck yourself. I'm keeping my water.

                Pete (can't drink twelve cents)

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                • #23
                  I agree with you. From what I have seen and done is you end up giving it to people in need. In Irma I didn't lose power and ended up giving a friend 12 gallons of fuel for his generator.

                  There are jerks that will gouge and that should be their right to do it. In my 40 years I have seen disasters bring out the good in people over the bad for the most part.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Danisr1 View Post
                    I agree with you. From what I have seen and done is you end up giving it to people in need. In Irma I didn't lose power and ended up giving a friend 12 gallons of fuel for his generator.

                    There are jerks that will gouge and that should be their right to do it. In my 40 years I have seen disasters bring out the good in people over the bad for the most part.
                    What would you have done with the fuel if it was not a friend and just some random guy? What would you have done if it was someone you actually disliked?

                    Pete (thinks friendships muddy the economics up a bit because of inherent partnership behavior)

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                    • #25
                      I wasn't out there advertising that I had extra fuel, so if a random guy showed up at my door asking to spare some, I would have. If I don't like you, pound sand.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Plezercruz View Post
                        Pete (thinks this is the crux of the problem)
                        Price gouging laws create shortages and limit supply. The guy driving up 12 generators to make some money meant THERE WERE 12 MORE GENERATORS THAN WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN THERE! This allows those who can pay more to pay more and increases the supply for those who can't.

                        Again, it's always the same. Every problem government tells you they will fix they actually make worse when they try to outsmart market forces.

                        Steve (knows people care more about the feelz than reality)
                        "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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