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    The Trump administration wants to tighten the rules governing who qualifies for food stamps, which could end up stripping more than 3 million people of their benefits.

    The Agriculture Department issued a proposed rule Tuesday that curtails so-called broad-based categorical eligibility, which makes it easier for Americans with somewhat higher incomes and more savings to participate in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, the formal name for food stamps.
    It is the administration's latest step to clamp down on the food stamps program, which covers 38 million Americans, and other public assistance services. It wants to require more poor people to work for SNAP benefits, and it is looking to change the way the poverty threshold is calculated, a move that could strip many low-income residents of their federal benefits over time.

    Broad-based categorical eligibility allows states to streamline the food stamps application process for folks who qualify for certain benefits under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Some 40 states, plus the District of Columbia, use this option, which lets them eliminate the asset test and raise one of the income thresholds.

    Republicans have long argued that this expanded eligibility option is a "loophole" that permits those with higher incomes and assets to get public assistance. GOP lawmakers have tried to limit it several times -- including in last year's farm bill, though it didn't make it into the final version. The proposed USDA rule is expected to save $2.5 billion a year.
    "For too long, this loophole has been used to effectively bypass important eligibility guidelines," said Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue, who pointed out on a call with reporters that a millionaire in Minnesota recently enrolled through the option to highlight the problems with it. "That is why we are changing the rules, preventing abuse of a critical safety net system, so those who need food assistance the most are the only ones who receive it."Consumer advocates, however, say that the option helps low-income working Americans get the help they need. They still must meet the disposable income threshold for the food stamp program, though they can have a higher gross income (before deductions such as child care costs are taken into account).

    The option is "an opportunity-oriented policy to promote work and promote savings," said Stacy Dean, vice president for food assistance at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/23/polit...mps/index.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/23/polit...mps/index.html
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  • #2
    Having 38M people on food stamps seems a bit too high to me.

    Pete (doesn't know enough to know if he approves of this change, though)

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    • #3
      Seems high to me. Nice to see more oversight. However what do I know?
      I just know I've never had a problem with employment. I would literally work anywhere. All those jobs that the reps are crying about "illegals" taking, that they would never stoop to work at, are jobs I work at. Simplicity can really give you a piece of mind.
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      • #4
        The more people dependent on the government, the more you can count on their vote.

        Steve (knows how the new plantation system works)
        "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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        • #5
          File this article under Libertarian Feel Good Story of the Day.
          "I guess I just hate the fact there is public property at all." - Mr. Raceboy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by skooly View Post
            File this article under Libertarian Feel Good Story of the Day.
            That would be "Food Stamp Program Eliminated."

            Pete (would feel good about that as long as it was phased out gradually)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by skooly View Post
              File this article under Libertarian Feel Good Story of the Day.
              It does feel great because the less I pay in taxes the more I can afford to donate to take care of my fellow man directly. We typically make 2 donations a month to the local foodbank conveniently located right on our way home from the grocery store. This ensures people are actually getting nutritious food instead of beer and lottery tickets and "snacks" at the local Quicky Mart. Every dollar I spend on this food actually buys food instead of paying your beloved government administrators and bureaucrat cult leaders. The horror!

              Steve (thinks it's telling some people can't envision helping people without a gun to their head)

              "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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              • #8
                Thanks for the reminder, charities paid for the year and, I liked the food bank idea so I have decided to take it as my own and, not give Steve any credit for it because he's a pain in the ass and doesn't deserve any. Heh.

                Level: to provide food for 1,000 meals for hungry people

                Woo!

                Dan (challenges others to match)
                HFM

                As long as there exists people with religion and a belief in God, there will never be a Libertarian state.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hfm View Post
                  Thanks for the reminder, charities paid for the year and, I liked the food bank idea so I have decided to take it as my own and, not give Steve any credit for it because he's a pain in the ass and doesn't deserve any. Heh.
                  lulz
                  For every ailment under the sun - There is a remedy, or there is none;
                  If there be one, try to find it; If there be none, never mind it. -- Mother Goose

                  "We've always assumed that you can't bring back the dead. But it's a matter of when you pickle the cells." -- Peter Rhee

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hfm View Post
                    Thanks for the reminder, charities paid for the year and, I liked the food bank idea so I have decided to take it as my own and, not give Steve any credit for it because he's a pain in the ass and doesn't deserve any. Heh.

                    Level: to provide food for 1,000 meals for hungry people

                    Woo!

                    Dan (challenges others to match)
                    Ideas don't deserve credit, only action does and it's your money and therefor your action so all the credit to you Dan!

                    Steve (laughs at the fucking assholes who want credit for their wonderful ideas with no action on their part)
                    "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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                    • #11
                      I'm slacking this year. Didn't even do Great Strides. Long story.

                      Pete (gave less than ever)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy View Post

                        It does feel great because the less I pay in taxes the more I can afford to donate to take care of my fellow man directly. We typically make 2 donations a month to the local foodbank conveniently located right on our way home from the grocery store. This ensures people are actually getting nutritious food instead of beer and lottery tickets and "snacks" at the local Quicky Mart. Every dollar I spend on this food actually buys food instead of paying your beloved government administrators and bureaucrat cult leaders. The horror!

                        Steve (thinks it's telling some people can't envision helping people without a gun to their head)
                        Let me know when your food bank can feed 3 million people.

                        Or 38 million.
                        "I guess I just hate the fact there is public property at all." - Mr. Raceboy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by skooly View Post

                          Let me know when your food bank can feed 3 million people.

                          Or 38 million.
                          Should 12% of the population be showing up at the food bank?

                          Pete (thinks 3 million is a much saner number, but possibly still too high)

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                          • #14
                            Not that I really know anything, but what percentage of these people do you think are elderly?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by skooly View Post

                              Let me know when your food bank can feed 3 million people.

                              Or 38 million.
                              Jon, you're making a huge mistake if you think government has responsibility for the poor. If anyone has responsibility for the poor, it is a person, not a government. Inadequate public schooling and, the minimum wage are probably the two greatest causes of poverty. I probably have posted this video before but, I'll post it again because Friedman is absolutely correct.

                              Your post instead of complimenting Steve for his charity rebuffs his charity under a premise that it is inadequate. That's just wrong. I've made my charitable donation for the poor this year. Next year I'll do the same and, I'll probably set up a a matching program for our firms employees where we match one dollar for every dollar they contribute to the food bank up to some finite amount. Should I not do this because we can't feed all 3 million or 38 million people? And, when did that become my responsibility, Steve's responsibility or yours? Look at the bullet points in this article and let us know your responses to those questions are please: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.31b583f0fdd0

                              I can say, the homeless problem in Los Angeles has exploded. They're everywhere. I have a sad soul with one arm trying to sell bottles of water at a freeway offramp every Saturday. I like this guy, not because he's got one arm but, because at least he's trying to sell me something instead of just panhandling. But, we can buy 40 bottles of purified water for $2.99 at Costco and, we get bottled water for home and office from Sparkletts and have no need for his bottle. And, then there are those videos of pan handlers that are making a $40k plus living begging for food who drive their car and go home after they've begged for the day. Give me a break.

                              My view like some of the comments in that WP article is, I work hard, I provide for my family and my employees, why do I have further obligation to someone who didn't work as hard as I do or is unwilling to work the hours I do? So, when I donate to the food bank, at least I know I'm not going to be scammed by some panhandler whose making a living this way or someone who will just buy booze or drugs. Instead, from my last donation I can know and say that I've fed a 1000 persons a meal and, I can feel good about having done so and, the icing is, it's tax deductible. That's a win, win, win.

                              You want to do something about poverty? Reject government funded schools and minimum wages. Give people a chance to get a better education and, take a job that will be able to give them some earnings instead of none and, give them their self-respect back by doing so.

                              Dan (is more than annoyed by the homeless problem, does what he can as an individual and, wishes government would stay the hell out of it)
                               
                              HFM

                              As long as there exists people with religion and a belief in God, there will never be a Libertarian state.

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