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  • #31
    Originally posted by skooly View Post
    People die in car accidents, but over the decades, government and industry have worked together to lower the likelihood and severity of fatal accidents. And it has worked. If you want to regulate firearms like we do automobiles, I welcome that discussion. It would work too.
    So much dishonesty. You mean we don't have any gun laws on the books? LMFAO

    The 2nd Amendment is going anywhere, so either get honest and maybe try to make a real difference or keep trolling your bullshit. I already know which you will pick.
    "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Beemer View Post
      and we make laws to try to prevent people from dying in car accidents....
      People have to get a driver licence just to be qualified or this mass killing experience.
      There's no "right to bear car" amendment beemer. Have I missed something? Are there not already a myriad of gun laws on the books? The leftist mob doesn't seem to think so in the approved talking points.

      Steve (laughs at those who pretend to care while getting happy every time a bunch of people are shot in a mass shooting because it only helps their agendas, sick fucks)
      "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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      • #33
        Here's something the gun grabber mob needs to come to terms with. The "scary black guns" aren't going anywhere. You can literally make one at home and that tech is only going to continue to improve. There is literally no way to stop their proliferation no more than you can stop drugs because people want to get high. So to continue to go down that path is just a complete waste of time. Unlike any other country on the planet, the right to bear arms is ingrained in our culture so deeply it's inseparable.

        So you can either leave this country, or you can try to be honest and maybe we can deal with underlying causes instead of just pushing an agenda. I won't hold my breath for honesty because it's all about the smug self-righteousness and very little about people actually dying.
        "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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        • #34
          ah, the get out of my country reminder. I love that.
          You have as much right to claim your viewpoint of this country as do others. I guess you consider yourself more of a patriot then others with a differing viewpoint?
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Beemer View Post
            ah, the get out of my country reminder. I love that.
            You have as much right to claim your viewpoint of this country as do others. I guess you consider yourself more of a patriot then others with a differing viewpoint?
            Sigh.....

            I have explained this countless times. If it's too nuanced a point, I don't know what to tell you. I can tell you I had to make that choice of weighing all the pros and cons and moving across the country and I did it for freedom. I certainly knew I wasn't going to change the People's Republic of California, that's for sure.

            I'm not a patriot at all. As the saying goes, wherever there is freedom, that's where I will call my home. I have no loyalty to colored rags. I'm simply saying there is ZERO chance of getting rid of guns or banning assault rifles, especially when they can literally be manufactured at home, so to keep talking about it is just mental masturbation. Again, if people were truly that afraid of it, they would leave the country when they themselves claim there are places that are just like American, but without the guns. I'm not telling them to leave, I'm telling them I know they are full of shit because they haven't left. Those places aren't "just like America without the guns" and they know it.
            Last edited by Mr. Raceboy; 08-05-2019, 09:19 PM.
            "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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            • #36
              When a 3D printed gun is manufactured for a killing spree, then this discussion will continue.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Beemer View Post
                When a 3D printed gun is manufactured for a killing spree, then this discussion will continue.
                No need at the moment because you can just buy one. Ban it, and the market will demand it, just like drugs. I think you need to step back realize how things in this world actually work. PROHIBITION DOES NOT WORK! The government can't even keep drugs out of prison. There's also the fact over the past decade, so people have literally hoarded AR15s hoping the government bans them so you can turn your $400 investment into $2000. Confiscations don't work. Just look at Australia and New Zealand, no compliance and now you have violent black markets.

                So grow up and come to grips with the fact the guns are not going anywhere. Once you have come to grips with that, then we can talk, but until then you're just living in a fantasy world waiting for a savior that isn't going to come.

                Steve (is done)
                "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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                • #38
                  So, you honestly think that most of these mass shooters have the resources and wherewithal to manufacture guns and get around restrictions? None of them would be prevented? Making guns harder to grab wouldn't slow down gang violence? Really? No one is saying we would go to zero gun deaths, but force a level of interaction comparable to getting a drivers license (written test, in person exam, several week wait to receive your approval, demonstration of having had safety training, etc.) would limit the number of freely circulating guns and create, at least in some percentage of cases, a barrier that prevents the actual violence.

                  When I make a drug for tuberculosis, I am not expecting to cure all cases and eradicate the problem, but if I can save 10% of the people who would otherwise die from the disease, I consider that a significant win and worthy of effort -- why isn't a similar approach valid here?
                  They speak in bulletpointese leftist nutjob drivel. It doesn't matter. Nothing is as great a motivator as the chance to truly be free.
                  -Mr. Raceboy

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                  • #39
                    Steve, itís called ďdonít let perfect be the enemy of the good.Ē You know who said that recently? You did. As a society, there are plenty of things we can do to lower the likelihood and lethality of mass shooting, even if we canít eliminate it entirely. As you say, itís a nuanced point, but I know you can grasp it. To not even try is to be complicit in it.
                    "I guess I just hate the fact there is public property at all." - Mr. Raceboy.

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                    • #40
                      This is doing something right.

                      https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen
                      HFM

                      As long as there exists people with religion and a belief in God, there will never be a Libertarian state.

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                      • #41
                        Republican logic.
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                        • #42
                          Speeding tickets are not about safety. It started as a fuel economy measure that devolved into revenue generation. If safety really was the issue, those at fault in traffic accidents should be fined, not speeders who hurt no one. The same thing is true with drunk drivers who do not get into accidents. There should be no punishment when there is no victim. Punish the drunk driver who causes an accident, not an intoxicated driver who hasnít but possibly might. There should be no punishment for gun owners who donít kill people. Punishment should be directed to those who do the killing and harming, where victims actually exist. A solution that takes away guns or removes our constitutional rights under the 2nd amendment is no different as it fails to target those that should be punished and, inflicts a loss of freedom and liberties of everyone else.

                          The suggestion to ban guns or restrict or remove the 2nd amendment hinders law abiding citizens, not the criminals who will simply ignore the laws or will find a work around. It would be an overreach created because of the actions of a very few that serves to harm the liberties and interests of hundreds of millions. Prosecute the mass murderers, donít punish law abiding gun owners is the obvious conclusion.

                          Dan (has changed his mind and is fine with machine guns and bazookas)
                          HFM

                          As long as there exists people with religion and a belief in God, there will never be a Libertarian state.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by hfm View Post
                            Texas has open carry and some of the loosest gun laws in the country, and it didnít prevent El Paso. Doubling down on a failed strategy wonít make it any more effective.

                            By by the way, we all know the Supreme Court has ruled weapons of war do not receive Constitutional protection.
                            "I guess I just hate the fact there is public property at all." - Mr. Raceboy.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jester View Post
                              So, you honestly think that most of these mass shooters have the resources and wherewithal to manufacture guns and get around restrictions? None of them would be prevented? Making guns harder to grab wouldn't slow down gang violence? Really? No one is saying we would go to zero gun deaths, but force a level of interaction comparable to getting a drivers license (written test, in person exam, several week wait to receive your approval, demonstration of having had safety training, etc.) would limit the number of freely circulating guns and create, at least in some percentage of cases, a barrier that prevents the actual violence.

                              When I make a drug for tuberculosis, I am not expecting to cure all cases and eradicate the problem, but if I can save 10% of the people who would otherwise die from the disease, I consider that a significant win and worthy of effort -- why isn't a similar approach valid here?
                              Are you suggesting those involved in gang violence obtain their weapon of choice via licensing/permits/background checks???
                              Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy
                              I'm a lot more worried about the commies running DC than I am about commies half way around the world.

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                              • #45
                                Work made some security changes around here.

                                Pete (is having trouble getting the site to load)

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