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  • If You Murdered A Bunch Of People, Mass Murder Is Your Single Defining Legacy

    Thought experiment:

    Think of an acquaintance of yours. Not someone you’re particularly close to, just some guy in the cast of extras from the scenery of your life. Now, imagine learning that that guy is a serial murderer, who has been prowling the streets for years stabbing people to death. Imagine he goes his whole life without ever suffering any consequences for murdering all those people, and then when he dies, everyone wants to talk about how great he was and share heartwarming anecdotes about him. If you try to bring up the whole serial killing thing, people react with sputtering outrage that you would dare to speak ill of such a noble and wonderful person.

    “Look, I didn’t agree with everything he did, but you can’t just let one not-so-great thing from a man’s life eclipse all the other good things he’s accomplished,” they protest. “For example, did you know he was a baseball captain at Yale?”

    “But… what about all those people he murdered?” you reply.

    “God, why can’t you just pay respect to a great man in our time of mourning??” they shout in exasperation.

    You turn on the TV, and it’s nothing but nonstop hagiography and adulation for this guy who you know was a serial murderer. Pick up a newspaper and it’s the same thing. On the rare occasions where they do mention his astonishingly high body count, they frame it as a good thing: he got the killing done quickly and efficiently. He helped our country get over its phobia of mass murder. Our streets sure are a lot cleaner without all those unwanted prostitutes and homeless people he butchered.

    “What the hell?” you think to yourself. “This guy brutally murdered a whole bunch of men, women and children for no good reason. We all know this. How come that isn’t the single defining thing about this man’s life that we’re all discussing right now? When Timothy McVeigh died people didn’t spend all their time talking about his love of the Constitution or how he never liked broccoli. Nobody cares how much Ted Bundy loved his cat. Why are they celebrating this mass murderer as though his mass murders are some marginal, irrelevant anomaly in his life and not the single defining feature of it? I mean, that is his legacy!”

    How surreal would that be? How weird would it feel to have all that death and destruction go either unmentioned or outright praised in discussing your acquaintance who perpetrated it?

    Of course, this will never happen. No random schmuck in your life will ever get caught committing a single murder, let alone many, without being punished and seeing it become the very first thing people think of whenever their name comes up. No, that sort of treatment is a privilege that is reserved only for the elites who rule over us.

    If a man kills a lot of people, then his legacy is that of a mass murderer. There is nothing else anyone could possibly accomplish in their lifetime which could eclipse the significance of the act of violently ripping the life out of thousands of human bodies. I don’t care if you started a charity, if you gave a graduation speech, or if you loved your wife very much. If you committed war crimes, knowingly targeted civilian shelters, and deliberately targeted a nation’s civilian infrastructure to gain a strategic advantage after the conclusion of a war based on lies, then you are a mass murderer who may have also done some other far less significant things during the rest of your time on this planet. That is who you are.

    Murder is treated as the most serious crime anyone can commit in societies around the world because it is the single most egregious violation of personal sovereignty possible. When you murder someone, you willfully overpower their will for themselves and take everything away from them, without any possibility of their getting any of it back. This doesn’t stop being true if someone happens to be sitting in an office which empowers him to murder people without fear of consequences. If you murder one person, then what you are for the rest of your life, first and foremost, is a murderer, because murder is such a hugely significant crime. If you murder a large number of people, then what you are is a mass murderer.

    George HW Bush was a mass murderer. That is his legacy. That is what he was. Any discussion of the man’s life which does not put this single defining legacy front and center by a very wide margin is being dishonest about the thing that murder is, and is doing so out of fealty to a corrupt power structure which enables consequence-free murder on a mass scale as long as it happens in accordance with the will of that power structure.

    Whenever I hold my customary public “good riddance” social media celebration after a war pig dies, I always get people telling me they hope I die for saying such a thing. And of course I am aware that I am courting controversy by saying immediately after someone’s death that the world is better off without them, and hostile reactions necessarily come along with that. But I also think it says so much about people’s deification of these child-killing elites that simply being glad to see them leave this world, peacefully of old age and in their own homes, is seen as such an unforgivable offense that it deserves nothing short of death. I suppose that’s how high of a pedestal you need to place someone on above the ordinary people in order to see their acts of mass murder as insignificant little foibles instead of horrific atrocities which define their entire personhood. In the eyes of the thoroughly propagandized public, they are gods, as the nonstop fawning beatification of Poppy Bush makes abundantly clear.

    US presidents are not special. They are not made of any different kind of substance than you or I. When they order the extermination of large numbers of human lives for no legitimate reason, they are as guilty as you or I would be if we murdered each and every one of those people ourselves, personally. And if you or I had done such a thing during our lives, we both know people wouldn’t be spending their time after we die talking about how delightful and charming we were.

    George Herbert Walker Bush was a mass murderer, and the only reason that undeniable fact isn’t dominating public discourse today is because of the myopia caused by a deeply unjust power dynamic.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/12/...fining-legacy/
    Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy
    I'm a lot more worried about the commies running DC than I am about commies half way around the world.


  • #2
    You really have to stretch your credibility to call the First Iraq War mass murder.

    Pete (has never encountered a war in the history of mankind more diplomatically planned, executed, and resolved)

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    • #3
      If you're going to call G H W Bush a mass murderer based on the first Iraq war, there is no living president who could sleep safely today.
      "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." –Mark Twain

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      • #4
        I guess you’d have to agree on a definition of a mass murderer. The FBI defines mass murder as 4 or more people in a single event.

        Civilian casualties of direct engagements from the Gulf War range from 2,278 on the low side and 94,000 on the high side.
        In addition, it is estimated Saddam killed anywhere from 60,000 to 110,000 Kurdish and Shiite in the subsequent uprisings when we stopped fighting.

        This seems like mass murder to me.
        Last edited by buzzardmountain; 12-05-2018, 08:44 AM.
        Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy
        I'm a lot more worried about the commies running DC than I am about commies half way around the world.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by buzzardmountain View Post
          I guess you’d have to agree on a definition of a mass murderer. The FBI defines mass murder as 4 or more people in a single event.

          Civilian casualties of direct engagements from the Gulf War range from 2,278 on the low side and 94,000 on the high side.
          In addition, it is estimated Saddam killed anywhere from 60,000 to 110,000 Kurdish and Shiite in the subsequent uprisings when we stopped fighting.

          This seems like mass murder to me.
          So it doesn't matter that Iraq invaded and took over Kuwait first, and that once GHW Bush kicked Iraq out of Kuwait, he called off the dogs and didn't pursue an outright overthrow of the Iraqi regime, contrary to the wishes of most of his generals? Does it not matter that Bush gave Iraq nearly half a year to vacate Kuwait, and only invaded when they refused? Does it not matter that Bush took his case to virtually every relevant international body first, and got approval and participation from most of the world in kicking Iraq out of Kuwait?

          Was Bush supposed to just let Iraq keep Kuwait?

          Pete (seems to think that if there's a "mass murderer" in that whole scenario it's Saddam Hussein, and Bush was the one who kept him in check)
          Last edited by Plezercruz; 12-05-2018, 09:22 AM.

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          • #6
            GHB and all the other warmongers...are directly responsible for all those deaths. Their* foreign policy of propping up Hussein with pallets of cash, weapontry, and legitimacy on the world stage when it benefited their* foreign policy against Iran.
            Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy
            I'm a lot more worried about the commies running DC than I am about commies half way around the world.

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            • #7
              Well that's the thing, isn't it? If Lew had harped on literally anything else Bush did in his life, like his CIA days or any of the other conflicts he was a part of (except maybe Somalia, which could at face value be a humanitarian effort) then he'd be credible. But he singles out the first Iraq War, which just cannot pass muster.

              Pete (thinks Lew drinks too much Kool-Aid)

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              • #8
                What's wrong with the source? Is Mr. Lew’s data somehow deficient? All he did was focus on a large-scale event instead the multitude of other transgressions by GHWB.
                Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy
                I'm a lot more worried about the commies running DC than I am about commies half way around the world.

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                • #9
                  I see what you did there, but it really didn't work.

                  Pete (didn't criticize the source, except perhaps with the Kool-Aid comment)

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                  • #10
                    Haha...I amuse myself.
                    Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy
                    I'm a lot more worried about the commies running DC than I am about commies half way around the world.

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                    • #11
                      I read that the # of refugee deaths from the Iraq was was over 100,000.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual...f_the_Iraq_War

                      Either directly or indirectly related to the war

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                      • #12
                        That’s the link for the Iraq War that GWB started. GHWB killed 100k too! Yay
                        Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy
                        I'm a lot more worried about the commies running DC than I am about commies half way around the world.

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                        • #13
                          I see what you did there.

                          skooly (thinks you're "not supporting the troops")
                          "I guess I just hate the fact there is public property at all." - Mr. Raceboy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by skooly View Post
                            I see what you did there.

                            skooly (thinks you're "not supporting the troops")
                            I’m a Miami Dolphins fan so I’m obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed so please forgive my question. Are you suggesting the quoted comment is something I’ve parroted before? I’ve said a lot of stupid things in my life but that really doesn’t sound like something I'd say. Even in my mostest stupidest...haha
                            Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy
                            I'm a lot more worried about the commies running DC than I am about commies half way around the world.

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                            • #15
                              Haha, this was vintage Robin circa 2003-2005 on the my350z.com website. I heard it a lot if I can remember it all these years later.

                              skooly (appreciates your candor)
                              "I guess I just hate the fact there is public property at all." - Mr. Raceboy.

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