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  • #16
    Originally posted by skooly View Post
    If Warren's proposed wealth tax is unconstitutional, then there's nothing to worry about, is there? Look at the makeup of the current Court. Further, I seriously doubt that Warren could win the Democratic nomination, prevail over Mad King Donald, or that her wealth tax could ever pass Congress.

    skooly (still supports it, but is a realist)
    Candidates like Sanders, Warren and representatives like Ocasio-Cortez follow the path of Marxism and stand diametrically opposed to capitalism. Whereas Trump, who is flawed, bigoted, misogynistic, authoritarian and frequently misguided actually is a capitalist.

    I suppose those that want handouts and charity, to take it easy and have things provided for them by the state will side with socialists and, those that want to create jobs and wealth for themselves, their employees and shareholders will side with Trump. Communism failed with the USSR, its failing in North Korea and only where a dictatorship or oligarchy as seen in Russia and China where a form of capitalism was adopted did those governments succeed. It would be a horrible thing if this country moves down that path of socialism and communism and, as misguided as Trump is on many matters, he's fundamentally right about capitalism and your socialist leadership examples are fundamentally wrong.

    Dan (wishes Jon would watch some Friedman videos in his free time)
    HFM

    As long as there exists people with religion and a belief in God, there will never be a Libertarian state.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by skooly View Post

      What's their play? Vanity and egomania?

      skooly (thinks that's absurd)
      Who's pockets to you think that redistributed wealth ends up in? Tax me an extra 1 so I can make and extra 5! LMFAO, you are so gullible. Useful idiot, through and through.

      Again I have to ask, WTF are you doing here? All your gun-free paradises are already super high tax (I wonder why that seems to go hand in hand?). Sounds like a wet dream for you and all you got to do is move.

      Write a check or STFU already.

      You live in fear and will give away all your freedom because of the human hubris that somehow you can legislate your way to safety and utopia. I live in reality and realize that isn't possible so I prepare for the worst, then live my life and will worry about whatever happens when it happens because I can't do a damn thing to prevent it because most people are morons and the mob rules.
      Last edited by Mr. Raceboy; 06-26-2019, 07:59 PM.
      "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." H.L. Mencken

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      • #18
        Originally posted by hfm View Post

        Candidates like Sanders, Warren and representatives like Ocasio-Cortez follow the path of Marxism and stand diametrically opposed to capitalism. Whereas Trump, who is flawed, bigoted, misogynistic, authoritarian and frequently misguided actually is a capitalist.

        I suppose those that want handouts and charity, to take it easy and have things provided for them by the state will side with socialists and, those that want to create jobs and wealth for themselves, their employees and shareholders will side with Trump. Communism failed with the USSR, its failing in North Korea and only where a dictatorship or oligarchy as seen in Russia and China where a form of capitalism was adopted did those governments succeed. It would be a horrible thing if this country moves down that path of socialism and communism and, as misguided as Trump is on many matters, he's fundamentally right about capitalism and your socialist leadership examples are fundamentally wrong.

        Dan (wishes Jon would watch some Friedman videos in his free time)
        Why do you seem the dems in black and white but Donald in technicolor? Have you read Warrens policies? I agree that her wealth tax is extreme on its surface, but so are the government-created extreme wealth disparities she’s trying to address (or do you think that the fact Bezos is richer than Rockefeller is a simple matter or bezos doing better business?) — she isn’t anti-capitalism, she’s anti corporatocracy, at least the aspects of her platform I pay attention to. Meanwhile, Donald isn’t supporting capitalism, he’s just robbing the damn country and using tariffs to fuck up anyone he views as a competitor.
        They speak in bulletpointese leftist nutjob drivel. It doesn't matter. Nothing is as great a motivator as the chance to truly be free.
        -Mr. Raceboy

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jester View Post

          Why do you seem the dems in black and white but Donald in technicolor? Have you read Warrens policies? I agree that her wealth tax is extreme on its surface, but so are the government-created extreme wealth disparities she’s trying to address (or do you think that the fact Bezos is richer than Rockefeller is a simple matter or bezos doing better business?) — she isn’t anti-capitalism, she’s anti corporatocracy, at least the aspects of her platform I pay attention to. Meanwhile, Donald isn’t supporting capitalism, he’s just robbing the damn country and using tariffs to fuck up anyone he views as a competitor.
          1. Probably because dems views are outdated and lead to theft by force and reps preserve economic freedom.
          2. No, but I just did. Pretty much only find her work with the CFPB commendable because I find it a useful agency for consumers.
          3. I don’t believe there is wealth disparity, rather there is wealth resulting from education, effort, skill, talent, inheritance and, poverty from the lack thereof.
          4. Bezos remarkably put himself as middleman between seller and buyer taking a cut from each sale, transformed logistics and redefined consumerism, cost-cutting and customer service and arguably has forced more expensive brick and mortar competitors to adapt or go out of business in a very Darwinian manner. Yes, he’s better at business than all but a handful of people. Comparing him to Rockefeller to me simply raises the question of whether there should be anti-trust actions against Bezos and Amazon. I don’t think so. The Costcos, Walmarts, Bestbuys and mom and pop stores out there function fine. Most importantly, Amazon by being a middleman instead of being an industry, might never be a monopoly as to any given industry except as to distribution and, even there, the FedEx, UPS and others have their place. We’re better off with Amazon than not, don’t you agree?
          5. This country is not a “corporatocracy.” While I believe Citizens United was a bad decision, the nature of government has not changed. I would agree that corporate influence on legislation has increased. But, I don’t think there was ever a time when there hasn’t been corporate influence. At any rate, that increased influence is the reason I think Citizens United was a poor decision. If the legislature wanted, it could change that precedent. I don’t think Warren with her plan to steal more than a Trillion dollars from one group to benefit another is a solution. Rather, I’d like to see her stopped.
          6. Trump is very likely improving his interests due to his position. But, I don’t think you can prove he is robbing the country as you say he is. While tariffs are a bad idea on a pure free market economic perspective, he’s using it as a tool to negotiate better terms with our trading partners. The dramatic effect of his use of tariffs was demonstrated with Canada and with Mexico. I’ll be damned to say it but, he got Mexico to send thousands of troops to the border. While not a concrete wall, it’s a “wall” and, unbelievably, Mexico is paying for it. China may or may not compromise. I have no desire to see them take the number one global economic power spot, it’s strategically a national security risk and, if tariffs are one tool to make this country more competitive with China, I’m fine with that.
          HFM

          As long as there exists people with religion and a belief in God, there will never be a Libertarian state.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mr. Raceboy View Post
            Who's pockets to you think that redistributed wealth ends up in? Tax me an extra 1 so I can make and extra 5! LMFAO, you are so gullible. Useful idiot, through and through.
            Why don't you present facts and evidence instead of this conspiracy theory nonsense? Show us clearly how the wealth tax will enrich the billionaires.

            All your emotionality and personal attacks won't help prove your point.
            "I guess I just hate the fact there is public property at all." - Mr. Raceboy.

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            • #21
              Trump's sanctions on Iran may lead us into the war that Israel is puppeting Trump into

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              • #22
                Too much reaction to the opinion of one crackpot.

                Pete (wonders if that’s because he’s rich)

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                • #23
                  Citizen United needs to go. First and foremost.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Beemer View Post
                    Citizen United needs to go. First and foremost.
                    I'm reasonably sure all of us will go before Citizens United does.

                    Pete (thinks, for starters, that it was correctly decided)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Plezercruz View Post

                      I'm reasonably sure all of us will go before Citizens United does.

                      Pete (thinks, for starters, that it was correctly decided)
                      Nope. It's double-dipping; the individuals have opportunity to bribe and influence their legislators, and at the same time spend corporate money to do the same thing with a much bigger pot of money. Corporations (and their lawyers) are going to completely crowd out individuals within a generation or two in the world of legislature. It will not be good for the individuals.

                      Judge Alito made some comment after the decision showing that he really didn't understand the ramifications, paraphrased as "I don't see why people can't get together in order to express their opinion." That's not what's going on at all, and makes me question what exactly was said at the hearings and in the written testimony. I haven't done so because I'm not a lawyer, and I have a very difficult time parsing legalese.
                      "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." –Mark Twain

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