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    Iran lawmakers set paper US flag ablaze, shout 'Death to America'

    http://www.kmbc.com/article/iran-law...erica/20628284

    Iran lawmakers set paper US flag ablaze, shout 'Death to America'

    TEHRAN, Iran ó
    Iran's supreme leader chastised President Donald Trump on Wednesday over his decision to pull America out of the 2015 nuclear deal, while lawmakers lit a paper U.S. flag on fire inside parliament, shouting, "Death to America!"

    The government backlash reflected broad public anger in Iran over Trump's decision, which threatens to destroy the landmark agreement. While Iranian officials, including the parliament speaker, say they hope Europe will work with them to preserve the deal, many are pessimistic.
    Pete (wonders if he's supposed to believe that the Iranians don't really shout "Death to America" either)

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    Don't you mean "believe that Iranians ALSO shout"?

    I think the general Iranian public is upset at their Gov't as it's their insistence of having nuclear weapons that's responsible for the sanctions (that's lowering their quality of life)

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    What would Iran look like today if we hadnít overthrown Mossadeq so Great Britain could keep the cheap oil flowing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrician1976 View Post
    What would Iran look like today if we hadnít overthrown Mossadeq so Great Britain could keep the cheap oil flowing?
    Or if we had abandoned the embassy when Iran asked the to.... or if we hadn't supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War....

    If I was the leader of Iran right now, I'd be trying by damnedest to get my hands on a nuclear weapon as fast as possible. I personally think Trump is determined, before he leaves office to get us into a "new" shooting war, with boots on the ground, with someone. It doesn't make a difference whom, it would just satisfy his want to be some sort of revered War President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kutnupe14 View Post
    Or if we had abandoned the embassy when Iran asked the to.... or if we hadn't supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War....

    If I was the leader of Iran right now, I'd be trying by damnedest to get my hands on a nuclear weapon as fast as possible. I personally think Trump is determined, before he leaves office to get us into a "new" shooting war, with boots on the ground, with someone. It doesn't make a difference whom, it would just satisfy his want to be some sort of revered War President.
    Anyone under threat of imperialism who isnít trying to get a nuke is signing their own death warrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plezercruz View Post
    http://www.kmbc.com/article/iran-law...erica/20628284



    Pete (wonders if he's supposed to believe that the Iranians don't really shout "Death to America" either)
    Undeserved slight.
    My comment was and is - it also translates as "Down with America".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusty View Post
    Undeserved slight.
    My comment was and is - it also translates as "Down with America".

    Here comes the embed:

    That's not nearly as scary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dusty View Post
    Undeserved slight.
    Yes and no. It was meant as a provocation. It was not meant as a slight. Maybe the two are a little to close together.

    The Iranians, when chanting Death to America, actually chant Death to America (mar bar America). But when when you raised the issue of the translation, I was talking about Palestinians. So I got to wondering, can there really be a translation issue that is exactly the same for these two groups of people when they speak an entirely different language?

    So I went and googled. I'm no expert on these things, but I do what I can. Here's what I found:

    1. Death to America appears to be chanted by muslims in many of languages, yet in each one the translation is "death" and not "down."

    Iran (Farsi): https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/...3d59662ec.html
    Afghanistan/Iran (Pashto): http://rense.com/general63/troop.htm
    Palestinians (Arabic): https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Ga...eath-to-Israel
    Turkey (Turkish): https://sputniknews.com/news/2016072...-riot-nuclear/
    Pakistan (Urdu): https://www.alternet.org/rss/breakin...;_in_islamabad

    It's unlikely that "Down with America" would be mistranslated to all other languages in the muslim world as "Death to America" if it really meant "Down with America" isn't it?

    2. There is plenty of text telling me that "Death to America" in Farsi (Iranian) really means "Down with America."

    https://yournewswire.com/what-does-d...-iran-explain/
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...th-to-america/

    Mostly what I read is that the Iranian government is the source of the translation "Down with America."

    2. There are quite literally zero such references prior to Hassan Rouhani's Presidency in Iran in 2013. On the contrary, I find a good number articles prior to 2013 wherein the chant "Death to America" is discussed, with no mention of a "translation error" or "down with America" None of them indicate that what is really meant is "down with America" and many of them come with accompanying rhetoric that Americans or Jews should actually be killed:

    http://content.time.com/time/world/a...934584,00.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ran.roberttait
    https://ivarfjeld.com/2010/11/04/tho...ath-to-israel/


    3. I find absolutely no sources that tell me that when Palestinians say Death to America or Death to Israel or the Israel should be wiped off the Earth or that all Jews deserve death and damnation, that this is a translation error. Quite to the contrary, Hamas continues to offer up these kinds of gems:

    http://www.newsweek.com/hamas-gaza-l...-disarm-689585
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/236972

    4. Similar to Iran, even with the persistence of occasional jew-killing rhetoric, Hamas appears to be trying to rebrand itself also.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/opini...ion/index.html
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...gic-rebranding
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-p...nges-1.4093998


    I learned a few things today. First, "Death to America" is a patently Iranian chant. Others use it, but it's endemic and widespread only in Iran. I also learned that Iran is trying very hard to soften or eliminate the chant (and its associated flag burning). Maybe Iran is figuring out that they're not winning their feud with America. Finally, I learned that as popular as "Death to America" is to the masses and the clergy in Iran, it's becoming a real problem for the government.

    I don't buy for one second that since 1979, "Death to America" has meant "Down with America." That's something the current regime in Iran cooked up to improve their image. That said, I'm totally cool with that policy shift. It's a step in the right direction, and I'm happy to see it.

    Pete (would like to see the middle east settle down sometime in his lifetime)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plezercruz View Post
    Pete (would like to see the middle east settle down sometime in his lifetime)
    Good luck. How would we be able to exploit the resources of peaceful region with stable government?

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